Comments on: Microsoft Silverlight http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/ The pleasure of recognition and the promise of meaning. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:33:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Patrick Thu, 03 May 2007 17:54:33 +0000 http://blog.fluidesign.com/archives/63#comment-41 Reboot the web eh? I'd like to see that. Then again, I would also like to see Microsoft make some improvements in CSS and JavaScript support in IE that other browsers managed to make years ago. Reboot the web eh?

I’d like to see that. Then again, I would also like to see Microsoft make some improvements in CSS and JavaScript support in IE that other browsers managed to make years ago.

]]> By: brocksteady http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-40 brocksteady Thu, 03 May 2007 17:33:53 +0000 http://blog.fluidesign.com/archives/63#comment-40 To clarify, the only "excitement" generated was that no one can believe that Arrington is hyping Silvershite so much. It has nothing to do with "enemies" of MS, but everything to do with bewilderment of an overhyped plugin. If you looked into it, you would discover: 1. After crashing Safari with the download, I got it to install and watched the demo on the microsoft site. And guess what? It looks like poorly encoded web video. I've seen better encodes from flash video 5 times the pixel dimensions and 2 versions ago. I would give it up for SL if it was impressive, but how can you make insane generalizations that it's blowing Flash away when a 300pxl wide video looks like crap? 2. Did you watch any of the demos from the conference? Uh okay, so they created a video player? I didn't see one thing that Flash couldn't do—and dozens of things Flash does that SL doesn't, so how is that making it look like it's on training wheels?! I'm glad to offer up a full list of what Flash offers that SL doesn't upon request. 3. Silverlight is a windows only closed development platform so it certainly won't be adopted by creatives. Flash was made great by creatives, not strictly developers. SL also doesn't have Linux support which is a big downer to the developer community they're trying to reach out to. The best web studios are a no-Microsoft zone. 4. They're claiming cross-browser support, but MS is the laughing stock of the web world when it comes to cross-platform updates (IE/mac anyone?!) And have you ever tried downloading the latest WMV player on a Mac? It redirects you to download Flip4Mac which converts your WMV files to Quicktime. How can they make something so good to “reboot” all the web if they couldn’t even make IE7 support XHTML and CSS standards or WMV play on Safari? _ I'm sure SL has it's place somewhere, but insane claims from TechCrunch without proof/merit are what I (and the entire web community) are contesting. It's pointless to blindly follow what Arrington throws out there from within the microsoft bubble. To clarify, the only “excitement” generated was that no one can believe that Arrington is hyping Silvershite so much. It has nothing to do with “enemies” of MS, but everything to do with bewilderment of an overhyped plugin.

If you looked into it, you would discover:

1. After crashing Safari with the download, I got it to install and watched the demo on the microsoft site. And guess what? It looks like poorly encoded web video. I’ve seen better encodes from flash video 5 times the pixel dimensions and 2 versions ago. I would give it up for SL if it was impressive, but how can you make insane generalizations that it’s blowing Flash away when a 300pxl wide video looks like crap?

2. Did you watch any of the demos from the conference? Uh okay, so they created a video player? I didn’t see one thing that Flash couldn’t do—and dozens of things Flash does that SL doesn’t, so how is that making it look like it’s on training wheels?! I’m glad to offer up a full list of what Flash offers that SL doesn’t upon request.

3. Silverlight is a windows only closed development platform so it certainly won’t be adopted by creatives. Flash was made great by creatives, not strictly developers. SL also doesn’t have Linux support which is a big downer to the developer community they’re trying to reach out to. The best web studios are a no-Microsoft zone.

4. They’re claiming cross-browser support, but MS is the laughing stock of the web world when it comes to cross-platform updates (IE/mac anyone?!) And have you ever tried downloading the latest WMV player on a Mac? It redirects you to download Flip4Mac which converts your WMV files to Quicktime. How can they make something so good to “reboot” all the web if they couldn’t even make IE7 support XHTML and CSS standards or WMV play on Safari?

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I’m sure SL has it’s place somewhere, but insane claims from TechCrunch without proof/merit are what I (and the entire web community) are contesting. It’s pointless to blindly follow what Arrington throws out there from within the microsoft bubble.

]]> By: moquito http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-39 moquito Thu, 03 May 2007 08:22:01 +0000 http://blog.fluidesign.com/archives/63#comment-39 If die hard Microsoft enemies are this excited about it - it must be something. All Microsoft has to do is embed this functionality into IE, and they have 85% of the browser market covered. How's that for penetration? If die hard Microsoft enemies are this excited about it - it must be something. All Microsoft has to do is embed this functionality into IE, and they have 85% of the browser market covered. How’s that for penetration?

]]> By: brocksteady http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-38 brocksteady Thu, 03 May 2007 01:20:18 +0000 http://blog.fluidesign.com/archives/63#comment-38 I also can't believe you would take Michael Arrington's word on this as God's. He was almost certainly paid to post this by MS and has lost a ton of cred with a lot of people. I also can’t believe you would take Michael Arrington’s word on this as God’s. He was almost certainly paid to post this by MS and has lost a ton of cred with a lot of people.

]]> By: brocksteady http://blog.fluidesign.com/2007/05/02/microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-37 brocksteady Thu, 03 May 2007 00:59:11 +0000 http://blog.fluidesign.com/archives/63#comment-37 Thanks microsoft fanboy. Funniest line: "Microsoft 'rebooted the web'." 2nd funniest line: "It makes Flash/Flex look like an absolute toy”… Uh. Okaaaayy.? Flash powers over 75% of all internet video. And who is excited about this besides .NET developers? For a lot of users installing Silverlight is just going to be another barrier to viewing media on the web—and won't it be yet another ActiveX security issue? Flash Player is already on more than 98% of users' desktops and v9 is on over 80%. It will take years before MS has anywhere close to that market penetration. Also, CS3+Flash is a lock for any creative web designer because of Flash’s seamless integration with Photoshop and Illustrator. The hype says Silverlight is a Flash killer, but most Flash users are creatives who don’t use .NET or care about Microsoft’s assorted crap. MS has a long way to go especially since AS3 and Flex are going to be open source. But I'm glad you're excited about it. Thanks microsoft fanboy. Funniest line: “Microsoft ‘rebooted the web’.”
2nd funniest line: “It makes Flash/Flex look like an absolute toy”…

Uh. Okaaaayy.? Flash powers over 75% of all internet video. And who is excited about this besides .NET developers? For a lot of users installing Silverlight is just going to be another barrier to viewing media on the web—and won’t it be yet another ActiveX security issue? Flash Player is already on more than 98% of users’ desktops and v9 is on over 80%. It will take years before MS has anywhere close to that market penetration.

Also,

CS3+Flash is a lock for any creative web designer because of Flash’s seamless integration with Photoshop and Illustrator. The hype says Silverlight is a Flash killer, but most Flash users are creatives who don’t use .NET or care about Microsoft’s assorted crap. MS has a long way to go especially since AS3 and Flex are going to be open source.

But I’m glad you’re excited about it.

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